http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/crunchycon\/2008\/10\/cardinal-egan-i-know-what-i-sa.html<\/a><\/p>\nRod Dreher has been a commentator at the National Review Online and the Dallas Morning News for many years.\u00a0 He also writes in other conservative columns.\u00a0 He has vehemently opposed abortion rights and is an extreme right-wing, conservative Catholic.\u00a0 The blog mentioned above shows the picture of a fetus and references an article by the Catholic archbishop of New York.\u00a0 In the thread there are also many more graphic pictures of aborted fetuses.\u00a0 In the thread I argue with some of these folks about pro-choice.\u00a0 If you read the thread you will see that at one point Rod accuses me of calling the person I\u2019m debating with a fascist.\u00a0 He censored the thread and asked me to leave the discussion.\u00a0\u00a0I love to debate and have done it for years.\u00a0 I have never called anyone a fascist which I regard as losing an argument.\u00a0 Rod made this up, lied, so he could justify censoring the post.\u00a0\u00a0 The context of this post can be seen in the thread (apparently, the comments have been disabled now) but in summary Erin is trying to push the argument for choice into an extreme position characterized by, why not genocide if abortion is legal?\u00a0 Here is the post that was censored:<\/p>\n
\u201cErin,<\/p>\n
Many of us have principles and the vast majority of us are not into genocide.\u00a0 I think we have decided to kill innocent humans already born by democratic vote in Iraq and Afghanistan if you voted for Bush anyway.\u00a0 You may have found some way to excuse yourself but many of us in this country and in Europe hold you responsible.\u00a0 I did not condone those wars nor would I condone any killing of human life.\u00a0 I would agree that there are times when it is necessary but we should be repulsed by it (if we really are human).\u00a0 You seem to be content\u00a0 to setup your own straw men to argue with but no one has even remotely stated what you said.\u00a0 If you can push the argument in that direction you are right but most of us get off that train before it gets to the station.\u00a0\u00a0 Genes are not human life neither are cells.\u00a0 Humans make decisions regularly about the viability of human life, i.e., capital punishment, \u201cjust\u201d (or unjust) wars, euthanasia, etc.\u00a0 Where the lines are drawn is always up for discussion.\u00a0 There are no absolute, clearly defined rules for how we make those decisions.\u00a0 Again, you have participated in making life and death decisions already if, for example, you voted for Bush.\u00a0 I could just as easily push the argument to ludicrous extremes by asking you why you think you and your representatives are entitled to kill innocent women and children on Iraq and Afghanistan.\u00a0 Is life and death a decision that you and your representatives made for others without their consent and without any culpability on their part?\u00a0 The answer is obviously, Yes.\u00a0 Therefore, according to you, if you draw the line at certain folks and not others why not \u2018ol dad and inferior races?\u00a0 Can\u2019t you see how shifting the argument into all or none can equally indict you as well?\u00a0 If drawing these lines make us guilty then we are all guilty \u2013 you too!\u00a0 Your innocence is feigned at best and hypocritical at worst.\u00a0 In any case, very few of us want to take joy in these decisions and fashion a fascist, god-philosophy about who lives or not.\u00a0 To insist that one has to go to that extreme to do what all of us already are doing (whether we want to admit it or not) is to ignore the reality of the situation and engage in a dialog with yourself.\u00a0 Maybe you can find a neo-Nazi group to have that discussion with but making the rest of us parrot those extremes is really only to discredit your argument.\u00a0 I think most people know the difference between extreme ideologies and reasonable ideologies.\u00a0 When you push it as far as you like you become a McCarthy and the rest of us walk out of the room.\u00a0 I know you have lots of ways of justifying your intolerance but I, for one, hold you accountable and refuse your simplistic argument style.\u00a0 Those of us that are pro-choice have principles that we believe are just as valid as yours.\u00a0 We do not like abortion and would not think of becoming genocidal maniacs \u2013 that is really all about you Erin.\u201d<\/p>\n
Erin has also moderated this board and is very involved in the Republican, anti-abortion movement.\u00a0 I saw at least one person that already protested the censorship (but it may be censored by now as well).\u00a0 Beliefnet is a good, impartial site dedicated to fair and open discussion of religious, political and social issues.\u00a0 Rod only runs one small portion of the board (crunchycon).\u00a0 If you are interested in protesting this censorship I would invite you send a post to the link above (only email and screen name required) protesting censorship on this site from the right or engaging in the topic of the\u00a0 thread yourself.\u00a0 Let\u2019s take action in whatever small ways we can folks!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
Unfortunately, Rod is a remote cousin of mine and someone I enjoyed debating with until he started lying about me to stop the debate.\u00a0 It used to be that lying was not Christian but things change I guess. While blogging at: http:\/\/blog.beliefnet.com\/crunchycon on a thread called: Cardinal Egan: “I know what I saw.” The full […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,16],"tags":[82,193],"class_list":["post-53","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-abortion","category-politics","tag-erin-manning","tag-rod-dreher"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=53"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3957,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/53\/revisions\/3957"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=53"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=53"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.mixermuse.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=53"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}